Magic Comfort Blocked Brew Group Induced Failure!

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Magic Comfort Blocked Brew Group Induced Failure!
Magic Comfort SUP012D
Manufactured Date: 7/2002
Power Board: MCCPUV08 / IG CS 0030-003p-0040-0041/08
Brew Group Blocked
Nearly 11,000 coffees made prior to a major failure.
DVM, soldering iron, external power supply available
Good mechanical but somewhat dated electrical skills.

Hello all,

I purchased a SAECO Magic Comfort (not Plus) 230VAC, SUP012D in Italy. I successfully replaced the heat exchanger but caused a problem when doing so. I unplugged JP8 because the blue and red wires going to the motor and the yellow wires going to the cup warmer prevented the cover from being fully removed. It appeared that all of the connectors were keyed but reconnected the J8 plug off by one pin such that the blue wire was not connected and the others wires were also off by one pin. I have obtained a wiring diagram for the machine but have been trying to obtain a schematic for the MCCPUV08 power board to assess the damage.

I could not find detailed information on US sites. However, in the past when looking for detailed information regarding explosives detection for my profession, I found that German language sites often published more detailed information that are very helpful when translated by Google.

Based on the excellent information provided on your site it appears that replacing the Power Transistor and the Zener diode (T5 and D7 respectively on my board) is the most common fix for a blocked Brew Group. But in this case, I am trying to determine if any other components failed as a result of the improper connections including an improper connection to the rectifier bridge. The motor runs properly in both directions when powered by an external power supply. I started to trace the board to develop a schematic but it is going to take too much time to do the entire board and it is difficult to limit the area to be investigated without more information.

One of the SSF posts mentioned that a schematic is not available for the power board. The Magic Comfort, without the PLUS, appears to be a bit of an orphan and much of the documentation that I have collected is from similar models that are not an exact match for my machine. The SSF Saeco heaters page includes a section for the Magic series that is blank and I am not sure if any of information for any of the other models also applies to the Magic Comfort.

I would very much appreciate any clarification regarding the most appropriate documentation as well as specific recommendations regarding the testing and repair of the power board.
If additional information is not available, I will replace T5 and D7 and hope for the best?

Thank you.
Jim A
Newton, MA USA
SSF Username: [email protected]
 
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Hello,
complete schematics for the saeco PCBs aren't available at most. Especially the part with the Motor control is similar on most machines, however. For the exact schematics, there are many different PCB versions for any of the machine models that were developed over the years.

The wrong connection on JP8 shouldn't have damaged anything if i got it right.
The blue cable was "in the air", so the Motor couldn't draw any current. The offset connected two yellow cables then mated the two middle pins that are directly short-circuited on the PCB itself (Please double check that on yours).
The complete motor/cupwarmer circuit should have been effectively disconnected this way.

Pleasy explain how your machine acts when assembled at the momentary state. That could help to determine the fault (if there is one).
 
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Magic Comfort Blocked Brew Group Induced Failure! Magic Comfort Blocked Brew Group I

Hello,

Thank you very much for your prompt reply. Your understanding is correct. JP8 on the board (JP12 on wiring diagram for Magic Digital de Luxe) wires are blue/red/yellow/yellow - with the middle red & yellow normally connected together by the board. With the plug connected incorrectly and off by one pin, the blue wire is 'in air' the red was connected to the other side of the motor and the two yellows were shorted by the board. The cup warmer function was not turned on so I also wonder why the Brew Group is blocked.

The initial problem was that the machine was not heating up and stuck in ‘Warming Up’. At that time, the machine passed all of the diagnostics test functions that are not related to heat and steam including the motor running in both directions.

After replacing the heat exchanger the machine warmed up but displayed Brew Group Blocked. The motor did not move in either using the diagnostic test.
• The motor ran properly when using an external power supply to apply ~ 30 VDC. The motor ran in the opposite direction when the polarity was reversed.
• All micro switches are functioning properly
• The fuses in line with the blue and red wires to the motor are good (not open).
• The thermo fuses on each side of the heating element for the cup warmer are also good.

The wiring diagram for the Magic Digital de Luxe shows the blue and red wires going to the cup warmer and the yellow wires going to the motor but the connector cannot be installed if turned 180 degrees. I don’t see how a failure in the cup warmer circuit could cause a Brew Group Blocked failure.

The Brew Group Blocked fault continues and it is difficult to get to the diagnostic tests but I managed to run the diagnostic tests and the motor does not run. It removed the power board nearly two weeks ago and will install it and start the machine up to see if anything has changed.

Can the diagnostic tests, buttons 1 & 2, be used to check the motor with the Brew Group removed if the micro switches are jumped? Are there any other tests or measurements that would provide useful information?

Thanks again.
 
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hmilbradt
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Hi,

The Link shows the basic Saeco schematic of the brew unit engine ..... X_8923.GetriebeMotor-M4AV6-7-Markup_99_ ......
the schematic has been created for the Magic de Luxe board M4AV6-7 but it's not difficult to transfer the drwing to the Magic Comfort PCB.

regards
Harry
 
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