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Diskutiere s' zündet an?? Platinproblem oder nicht?? im ..:: Vienna / Prima / Crema / Nova ::.. Forum im Bereich *** SAECO / Philips ***; Hi damvdr, 1. for the main-switch connection see the picture below 2. check the temperature-sensor at "JP3": target value is 1900 Ohm @20°C 3...
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Hi damvdr,

1. for the main-switch connection see the picture below
2. check the temperature-sensor at "JP3": target value is 1900 Ohm @20°C
3. try to enter the test mode by pressing "steam" + "coffee" together while switching on power.
4. release and press "coffee" and turn the quantity adjustment to left position.
5. the pump must work

If the test-mode works, the controller is OK.

regards

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J try to give the brew group and I there does not arrive because the notches are not put opposite, however when I connect the machine, the engine always turn and are put at the same place. How to make???
 
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disconnect power
disconnect "jp15"
press "steam" + "coffee" together while switching on power.
release buttons
set quantity to low and press the "steam-button"
the brewing unit will move to "brew-position"
set quantity to "high" and press the "steam-button"
the brewing unit will move to "home-position"

Move the gear to the right position.
disconnect power
connect "jp15" again
 
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It is good for the brewing unit by doing what you are indicated!!;) J reassembled the vienna I' connected " the button ON/OFF always does not function". J have all the same the led ON/OFF which s' light and which is fixed, the led coffee flickers in green " what that does he want to say? , j' put water and of the coffee. But I did not start the pump " how to make? " "
 
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the button ON/OFF always does not function.
Disconnect power and measure the resistance of main switch in both positions:
open: measurement result must be very high or infinite ("oo" or "1")
close: measurement result must be near to 0 Ohm

the led coffee flickers in green.
is the heater hot?
 
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can you be more precise? can you make me a diagram? I am still not on to have made the good connection? The tank is not hot and the water pump does not seem to function, how to test it? I think that comes from my connections?
 
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hi damvdr,

The blue wire leads from the mains filter over the fuse direct to "JP11".

The black wire starts at the mains filter over the door-switch, the main switch to the temperature switch. From here it leads to the heater and via the pump to the circuit-board "JP10".

The second wire of the heater leads to "JP12".

The pump ist located between "JP13" (yellow) and "JP10" (black).

Measure the resistance of the heater: target value is 50 Ohm.

Regards KSB
 
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below a diagram of my wiring. It is not great art!! is it good?
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No - it is wrong:

1. the temperature switch is missing
2. the main - switch is out of order this way
3. Pump and heater can't work

See the chematic above:

a) black leads from filter to door switch via main switch to temperature switch.
b) the other side of temperature switch connects pump, heater and electronic ("JP10").
 
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Hi, The diagram is not clear, can you say to me exactly to what corresponds the numbers?
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where is the button ON/OFF on the diagram?
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there are three switch on the machine, one with the door
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Where are they on the diagram?
sorry but i have problem with this diagram!
 
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The diagram is absolute clear - it is the wiring schematic of your machine......

and this words are absolute clear:
a) black leads from filter to door switch via main switch to temperature switch.
b) the other side of temperature switch connects pump, heater and electronic ("JP10").

The main-switch is number 7.

The other switches have no effect to heating and pump.
 
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I think, the problem is that you didn't know the components of your machine or that you didn't find all of them.

Please look at this description: Saeco Nova zerlegen

Here you see most of the components in the wiring diagramm at the last two pictures (heater, temperature switch and pump).
 
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Hi
I have just taken time to make a diagram of the connections of my machine with pictures. Thank you for indicate to me what does not go. Especially on the level of the button stop/start. Because I do not understand the diagram only you sent?
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sorry - the link ist not working

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1. use the "Anhänge Verwalten" (Upload files) button here !
2. press "Durchsuchen" (search)
3. select your picture
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Sorry !
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you did a lot of work...... give me some time to think about....

Look at this foto in the meantime:
 
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This are the parts of the mains input of the machine:
 
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Thank you for your patience!! I am sorry but your diagram corresponds neither with your picture nor with my diagram. I do not see well the picture located into 1. Concerning the 2, is it acts not switch top, in front of the coffee mill? Concerning the 3,4 and 5, of what s' does it act? On the diagram that j posted, can you indicate what doesn't go? Thank you
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I think of having understood, I think that now I have the good connection, as on this picture.
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But now when j' press on the power switch, the machine s' does not light?
It s' light and the power switch n' no effect has when I connect it like that.
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this error of connection that j had made, perhaps can it help to repair me. I think of having the good connection now. But when I connect the machine and that I push switch power, nothing does not happen, no led s' light.
 
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If the machine is wired like your second picture, the machine is "on" if the door switch is pressed - the main switch is out of order.

The rest of the circuit "behind" your marks is completely out of order.

Disconnect machine from mains, take your instrument in "Ohm-range" and check all components:

- door switch: 0 Ohm
- main switch in "on-position": 0 Ohm
- door switch: 0 Ohm
- temperature switch: 0 Ohm

from here to:

- heater: 0 Ohm
- pump: 0 Ohm
 
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