Saeco Royal pro Brühgruppe

[fettt]

Um dir schneller bei deinen Problem zu helfen, bitten wir dich folgende Angaben zu machen:
- Mechanik- und Elektronikkenntnisse vorhanden ? ja
- Messgerät vorhanden ? ja
- Genaue Bezeichnung der Maschine SUP 016E

Hallo, ich bin Französisch (Kanada).
J Ich brauche deine Hilfe!
Meine Saeco Kaffee Royal 9.000 Meter (Kauf aur ebay).
wenn ich Kaffee machen in der Kaffee-Gruppe scheint zu zwingen, endet furchtbar, wenn Kaffee kochen.
Hier ist ein kleines Video ... Das Problem ist bei der zweiten 32.

YouTube - Saeco Royal Pro Brew Group problems

Niemand hat es geschafft, mir zu helfen ...
Hat jemand schicken Sie mir ein Foto seines königlichen Kaffee mit der Gruppe entfernt? Ich sehe einige Dinge.

Vielen Dank

 

[fettt]

Manchmal Netzstrom so dass ich fürchte, dass der Motor oder das Getriebe Pause bin ich!

 

[ksb]

Hello fettt,

is it possible to write in english ? The translation machine result is very funny but not understandable.

blockierte Saeco-Brühgruppe ausbauen ---- Autor: Michael Landmann<b></b>

Regards KSB

 

[fettt]

Sure, i will restart my story!

When i make a coffee, the brew group seems to really force. I donest want to broke somethings ( gears or motor ).

I made a little video on youtube,

YouTube - Saeco Royal Pro Brew Group problems

You can see that at 32 seconds ( when the brew is finished ) the brew group have alot of difficulty to return to initial position.

Im supposed to received a gasket kit to rebuilt my brew group. I dont know it it will help.

My machine have 9000 coffees made, its time to change the entire group?

 

[ksb]

sorry - it ist not possible for me to watch your video in the moment (very bad connection).

The brewing goup needs some maintenance - otherwise some problems will arrise.

Brewing group maintenance guides:

1. Leitfaden zum Zerlegen und Reinigen einer Saeco Brühgruppe ---- Autor: Christian6110
2. Brühgruppe komplett zerlegen Grundreinigung ---- Autor: imbissrudi

Test-Mode:

1. Testmodus Royal digital /Exclusive /Stratos (alte Tastatur) ---- Autor: Christian Schneider
2. Testmodus Royal Cappuccino (alte Tastatur) ---- Autor: Christian Schneider
3. Testmodus --- Royal Digital plus, Royal Professional (SUP 016RE) ---- Autor: Sergio Schreiber
4. Testmodus Royal Cappuccino u.a. ---- Autor: Michael Landmann

Is the speed of the brewing group in the normal range ?
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[fettt]

i think the speed are normal..

sometimes, when it force too much, the transmission seems to stop are restart after 2-3 seconds

 

[ksb]

Did you use the "Test-Mode" ?

 

[fettt]

Yes! and im really impressed... because the group seems to run normaly!

Its really weird!

Because the problem happen with normal brew and rinsing mode.

I got the big orange brew oring today. I will let you know its it help!

BTW, i was able to use test-mode, but im not able to enter service mode.

Did you know you to access it? i have the machine with the blue button .

 

[fettt]

Just realized that i use vaseline to grease (petrolium jelly) the brew group last times... could it be this?

 

[ksb]

1. Diagnose- / Servicemodus --- Royal Digital plus, Royal Professional (SUP 016RE) ---- Autor: Sergio Schreiber
2. Diagnose- / Servicemodus --- Royal Cappuccino Redesign (SUP 016R) ----Information: von Luser

If you grease the wrong parts (the rails in the side-walls for example), the brewing unit will go very strong near the end positions.

Vaseline is not as good as the original saeco grease.

 

[fettt]

the rails in the side-walls for example
I tthe guide, it tell to grease it, no?

can you take a pictures of the place i dont have to put grease?

 

[ksb]

In the both side parts of the brewing group are rails to guide the mechanik - if you grease this rails the coffee powder is collected at the grease and the force at both ends will increase until there is so much powder that the end position can not be reached any more - at this point the gear will be damaged.

Today it was possible for me to watch your video - i think the problem is caused by a too high force/torque.

 

[fettt]

Ok, for the rail... but in the guide to clean and grease the brewgroup, it grease the rails!

Any ideas on what can cause the high torque?

Thank you

 

[ksb]

Is the brewing group easy to move manually?

 

[fettt]

yes.

I think i found my answer....

When i check the brew gear for the first time, i dont reinstall it correctly. I realize that when i use the test mode without the brewgroup. I was unable to reinstall my brew group after i test the transmission!

I just reinstall it and make 2 coffee. i look better. But, ill test it tommorow morning (we make always 4-6 coffees.

 

[ksb]

ok - see you later....

 

[fettt]

hI ksb! somes questions for you!

when you say "side rail" you want to talk about the rail on each side of the 2 parts that form the brew group OR the rail with 2 sliders on the side of the cylinder?

You say to dont lub it, so i clean it and let it dry? no grease at all?

Im also questionning about the time for extraction. I start with manual espresso many year ago. With my old machine it take 27 secondes to make a perfect espresso. With this machine ( Seaco royal ). im lucky if i can go to 10 seconds! I try to play with grinder settings, dosing= 10seconds. Its normal to get it on 10 seconds? i use the "long" prebrew, and beans that came from Starbuck.

Thank you very much.You are very kind.

 

[ksb]

Hi fettt,

is guideway the better word ? I mean the rails in the side parts which form the brewing group.

No lube in this guideways - keep it dry and clean.

This settings are a quetion of your taste - if the grinder setting is fine, the water remains longer in the coffee.

What is the question ? Is the time too long for you ?

Regards KSB

 

[fettt]

You talk about theses tracks, right?

For the taste its perfect.

But i wonder if its normal to get a espresso in 10 seconds! ( probably not! )

I dont see other people talk about that in the forum.

 

[ksb]

yes - one picture ist better than thousand words